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SENATE HANSARD 12 OCTOBER 2017 VOL 27 NO 10

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PARLIAMENT OF ZIMBABWE

Thursday 12th October, 2017

The Senate met at Half-past Two o’clock p.m.

PRAYERS

(THE ACTING PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE in the Chair)

ANNOUNCEMENTS BY THE ACTING PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE

CHANGES TO THEMATIC COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP

          THE ACTING PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE (HON SEN. TAWENGWA):  I have to inform the Senate of changes to the membership of the Thematic Committees where Hon. Sen. Shoko has been nominated to serve on the following Committees;

-         HIV and AIDS and

-         Sustainable Development Goals and

INVITATION TO THE PARLIAMENTARIANS FOR GLOBAL ACTION ZIMBABWE CHAPTER MEETING

THE ACTING PRESIDEN OF THE SENATE:  I also have to inform the Senate that Hon. Members of the Parliamentarians for Global Action Zimbabwe Chapter are invited to the annual meeting on Wednesday, 18th October, 2017 at 1200 hours in the Government Caucus Room.  New members are welcome.

PRE-BUDGET BRIEFING WORKSHOP

THE ACTING PRESIDEN OF THE SENATE: I have to inform the Senate that there will be a pre-budget briefing workshop on the 28th of October, 2017 at Pandari Lodge at 0830 hours.  All Hon. Members are urged to attend.   

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS WITHOUT NOTICE

*HON. SEN. CHIEF MUSARURWA: Thank you Mr. President. My question is directed to the Deputy Minister of Lands and Rural Resettlement, Hon. Chikwama. My policy question is what is the Government policy regarding people who are settling themselves without any offer letters?  I can give you an example of what is happening, when we look at 30% of the people who are occupying these farms.  They are invaders and illegal settlers.  These are interfering with the people who have documents to occupy those areas.  What is happening now is, there is violence taking place between the people who have offer letters and those who do not have.  This is happening in the land stretching from Mazowe to areas in Chivhu and this problem is mounting.  What is really troubling us is that there is no preventive action from the State.  What is the Government policy regarding such illegal settlers who are disturbing the programme of resettlement? What are you going to do with these illegal settlers?

* THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF LANDS AND RURAL RESETTLEMENT(HON. CHIKWAMA): Thank you Mr. President and I also want to thank Hon. Sen. Chief Musarurwa for that question. I am saying Government policy does not allow illegal resettlement by anyone.  People should settle when they have offer letters.  Therefore, if you get into that area without an offer letter, you are an illegal settler and it is not allowed.  We know that as Zimbabweans, we have some thick heads who have illegally settled themselves.  As Government, we are preparing to talk to these people and drive them off.  This is a multi-ministerial action which is going to be taken.  We will be talking through the media on the ways which we are going to fight these people.  As a Ministry, we are highly perturbed by these illegal settlers and we are not going to protect these illegal settlers instead of protecting the people who under took the land reform and were legally settled and have their offer letters.  These are the people we are going to protect.  Therefore these thick heads are going to face the wrath of the law.

THE ACTING PRESIDEN OF THE SENATE: For the Hon. Senators’ information, we have the Minister of Defence, Hon. Dr. Sekeramayi; the Deputy Minister of Lands and Rural Resettlements, Hon. Chikwama and the Deputy Minister of Energy and Power Development, Hon. Sen. Muzenda.

*HON. SEN. CHIEF MUSARURWA: Minister, may you please tell us about what is going to happen to these illegal settlers?  Some of them are really constructing mansions at the moment and our fear is that as Government you are going to be sympathetic to these people and grant them some reprieve and let them continue staying and yet it was illegal

*HON. CHIKWAMA: Thank you Hon. Sen. Chief Musarurwa for that question.  The Government policy is, regardless of whether you have constructed a mansion or a palace – we know there are some land barons who are illegally parceling out these pieces of land which belong to the State.  One funny thing which we have observed is that these illegally settled people who depend on the land barons are the people who seem to be having a lot of money and they construct mansions and palaces- let me tell you the truth, the Government is going to pull down those houses.  They are going to be destroyed and I am sure you have seen the Government destroying some of the illegal settlements.  We are going to destroy those houses regardless of the fact that these illegal settlers are people who have money to construct such beautiful mansions.

HON. SEN CHIMHINI:  Thank you Mr. President. My question is directed to the Deputy Minister of Energy and Power Development. As we approach the rainy season, how prepared are we in terms of our payments to other countries who give us power so that we do not get to a situation where we fail to provide sufficient electrify.

 THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF ENERGY AND POWER DEVELOPMENT (HON. SEN. MUZENDA): Thank you Mr. President. I want to thank the Hon. Senator for the question.  We have been having challenges the last few weeks Hon. Senator but as of last week, we have managed to pay those who are supplying us with electricity from outside.  I can safely tell you that we do not anticipate any shortages as we approach our summer cropping season.  Usually, problems are there when it is winter time but you realise that we had no serious challenges in the winter season. Therefore, we hope that the summer cropping season will be smooth going.  I thank you.

          HON. SEN. MUMVURI:  In the same vein, I think the Hon. Minister acknowledged that we paid – this one is a temporary measure.  Can we not move to the sustainable supply of electricity?  When is the Kariba South hydro electric coming on board so that we become self-sufficient in our supply in Zimbabwe?

          THE ACTING PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE:  Order, order, Hon. Sen. Mumvuri, that is not a supplementary question but a question on its own.  Hon. Minister, if you could please respond to that.

          HON. SEN. MUZENDA:  Thank you Mr. President Sir. The Kariba South extension programme is going very well.  We are now at 92.2% and hope that the first session is going to be opened on 24th December.   The other one is going to be opened in March, 2018.  So, we are very much on course.

          We also have now managed to move quite a bit on Hwange 7 and 8.  Hopefully, you appreciate that these programmes of energy are not short term but long term but we are hoping to be self-sufficient in the next two to three years to come.  May I also indicate to the august House that we want to urge Hon. Senators in your constituencies to also encourage independent power producers to come on board so that they help with electricity production.  Although we have not done that in a big way, you will realise that the bio-digesters and bio-mass can also easily alleviate the energy problems from the grid power because when we are self-sufficient in household capacities, that helps but definitely the major projects are on course.  I thank you.

          HON. SEN. MUTSVANGWA:  My question is directed to the Minister of Energy and Power Development. Just three weeks ago, there were queues and panic buying of fuel in the country which disrupted business in many ways and also caused a lot of price hikes on products and services.  How can the Hon. Minister assure this august House so that we can instill confidence in our constituents that it is not going to recur?  What had caused it? Why did it happen when there was no shortage?  How do you assure the public out there that it will not recur?

          THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF ENERGY AND POWER DEVELOPMENT (HON. SEN. MUZENDA):  Thank you Mr. President Sir. I would like to thank Hon. Sen. Mutsvangwa for the pertinent question.  You are very correct that the panic buying was really unwarranted for.  You will appreciate that because we have the so-called freedom of speech in Zimbabwe, something happened on the social media and that caused a lot of panic.  One can safely say that although some of the retailers owed substantial sums of money to their fuel suppliers, the available fuel, both petrol and diesel would have taken us for another month.  The oil producers had refused to supply the retailers because they had not paid and that somehow leaked to the public.  As the Hon. Sen. rightly pointed out, things were talked over and they understood each other.

          I think in future, it is important for the Ministry to have its own social media or official mode of communication of the official position to the public – instead of people getting information from the social media.  I can therefore, safely say to the Hon. Senator, everything is on course in as far as fuel is concerned. That was the only hitch that the producers had refused to provide fuel to retailers because some of them owed them over a US$120 something and they wanted that paid. 

Again, I appreciate the crisis that we are having of foreign currency.  Therefore, sometimes whilst every Ministry might want to be put on the priority list, sometimes it is not possible to do so – that was the problem.  I thank you.

          THE ACTING PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE:  Thank you Hon. Minister for the response and assurance.

          *HON. SEN. CHABUKA:  My question is directed to the Deputy Minister of Energy and Power Development. What is Government policy regarding the rural electrification programmes?  At the moment, it seems as though there is no action on the rural electrification programme especially in the Nyazura and Mutungagore areas.  How is the rural electrification programme going on?

          *THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF ENERGY AND POWER DEVELOPMENT (HON. SEN. MUZENDA):  Thank you Mr. President for giving me the opportunity to respond to this pertinent question.

          The rural electrification programme is well on course, but let me inform this august House that the Ministry has drafted a master plan.  This master plan is going to clearly lay out the rural electrification programme and is going to be availed wherever we are.  It is only that this is a question without notice but if it was written, I would have made necessary investigations and responded to the question in more detail.  The rural electrification programme has its way of operation and as of now, they have already embarked on the 2017/2018 programme and are well in advance.  They line up the programmes that they have to undertake, hence I will have to ask them whether in the areas mentioned by Hon. Sen. Chabuka, there is going to be electrification and I will inform you. As a Ministry we really look forward to getting electricity throughout the country. This policy question has always been asked in both Houses and Hon. Members want to know when they are going to receive electricity in rural areas. I promise you that as soon as we have the master plan which is drafted in concurrence with the Provincial Administrators and District administrators, we will know when particular mentioned institutions such as schools, business centres and hospitals will be electrified.

          HON. SEN. CHIEF SIANSALI: My question is directed to the Deputy Minister of Energy and Power Development. What is your Ministry doing to make sure that your departments have mobile fleet of vehicles for timeous response in case of faults due to bad weather as we are approaching the rain season. I say so Minister because my areas is going for almost two weeks now without electricity because of the first rains that we witnessed a few weeks ago.

          THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF ENERGY AND POWER DEVELOPMENT (HON. SEN. T. MUZENDA): I would like to thank Hon. Sen. Chief Siansali for the question. I am sorry to hear that they have gone for two weeks without electricity but we try by all means to make sure that most of our depots have vehicles for emergencies. If that problem has not been rectified, I probably would have to go back to find out what exactly is the problem. Usually we do have vehicles which attend to emergency problems. I thank you.

          HON. SEN. CHIEF SIANSALI: My supplementary question is that the whole of the northern region does not have a running vehicle to come and restore electricity.

          HON. SEN. MUZENDA: May I ask the Chief that I go back and find out exactly how the whole region cannot have a vehicle and probably come back to him later. But that of course would be most unfortunate.

          THE ACTING PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE: We now have some Ministers who have joined us. May I say congratulations to Hon. Mbwembwe for being appointed to a full ministerial position – [HON. SENATORS: Hear, hear.] - We also have the Minister of Primary and Secondary Education, Hon. Dr. Dokora.

          HON. SEN. KHUMALO: My question is directed to the Deputy Minister of Energy and Power Development. What is Government’s policy on the issue of increased energy? My question is how far have you gone to motivate the institutions that have a large number of people so that they can produce energy through biogas?

          THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF ENERGY AND POWER DEVELOPMENT (HON. SEN. T. MUZENDA): As alluded to earlier on, we try by all means to encourage all institutions, especially those who can afford to have the biogas or biomass to be self sufficient in that area. Again, as I earlier indicated we would kindly ask Members of Parliament to conscientise the people about the efficiency of other alternative uses of energy. However, sometimes there is a capital outlay because when you build these biogases, you have to make sure that you have sufficient manure and other forms of what is required. What we have seen in the past is that communities might be unable to raise cement and other requirements. However, in those instances one might have to indicate to the community that even if they come together when they are quite many that might help. We have been trying educate people on those lines.

It is not only our Ministry, the other Ministries of Water and Women Affairs also do such projects. I was very happy the other day that with the Ministry of Women’s Affair, Gender and Community Development they even have what they call masons, the ones who are trained to build those biogases. These are mostly women and it becomes easier. Maybe once people have appreciated that it will be easier to roll out that programme. Maybe we should do more. I appreciate. I thank you.

HON. SEN. MARAVA: My question is directed to the Deputy Minister of Lands and Rural Resettlement. Considering the non elasticity of land, land does not grow, considering the small population of our country and also considering that vast tracts that we have of idle land in this country, can you assure the nation that there is still land to settle on, especially for those who might need land to settle on. I thank you.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF LANDS AND RURAL RESETTLEMENT (HON. CHIKWAMA): I want to thank Senator Marava for a very important question. We know there are a lot of people who need land and we are also planning to downsize the farms of those beneficiaries who have extra land which exceeds the gazetted maximum land according to the region. So, if someone has land which exceeds the maximum size, which is provided for on Section 208 of the Land Resettlement Act.  We are going to downsize but to those who are utilising the land fully, at the moment, we are not going to downsize. 

          For those who are not productive, we are not yet dealing with them because as Government, we did not manage to empower them, except those who are benefiting from the Presidential Input Scheme and Command Agriculture.  So, we will not repossess the land from someone who is productive.  I thank you.

          HON. SEN. MARAVA: Thank you Hon. Minister.  In other words, you are actually confirming that the Government or the State no longer has any land for those who might need to be resettled except that land that maybe created after downsizing, especially to those who have excess land?

          HON. CHIKWAMA: Thank you Mr. President, thank you Hon. Senator for the follow up question.  Land Reform is a process which is going on.  It is not a thing that can be done once and forever.  There are some people who are being allocated land after the Ministry did what I have explained to you. We are going to issue land.  As a process, we cannot say we are no longer allocating land, no.  We are going to downsize so that we can allocate land.  There is also land which is going to be issued to other people and whilst the other land is going to be reserved for future benefit to avoid doing it now without having to allocate land in future.  Thank you.

          HON. SEN. SHOKO: Thank you Mr. President.  My question is directed to the Deputy Minister of Energy and Power Devlopment.  What I would like to know is; Zimbabwe is a country that has a lot of sunshine and I think 75% of the days we live are under the sun.  There is a solar project that was started in Gwanda, Matebeleland South.  Can the Hon. Minister update us on how far that project has gone.

          Secondly, what percentage of power is the project going to contribute in terms of power transmission in the country.

          THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF ENERGY AND POWER DEVELOPMENT (HON.  SEN. T. MUZENDA): Thank you Hon. Senator for the question.  Yes, as a country, we have abundant sunshine for solar projects.  However, may I say to the Hon. Senator, truly the Gwanda solar project should have started way back.  Most of our solar projects have had challenges in that people bid and are given permission to do whatever they are supposed to do, but sometimes those people may not be having resources. 

          With the Gwanda project, the challenges have been that the people who were supposed to finance it were not happy with the local partner and they have had to have changes to whatever they had agreed to.  Right now I am not very sure how much that solar project was going to contribute in terms of megawatts.  However, the real problem is that; we have Gwanda, Munyati and a third one, where all those solar projects were supposed to be on course by now but funding has been our greatest problem.  You are aware that most of the solar panels are imported and the capital outlay is quite massive in the initial stages. However, most of our people think that if you are appointed as an Independen Power Producer (IPP), you will recoup in 2 to 3 years, but that does not happen, it takes close to 5 to 10 years for you to enjoy the profits.  So, that has really been our greatest problem Mr. President Sir, but we are hoping that very soon the Gwanda one will be on course.

          HON. SEN. B. SIBANDA: Thank you Mr. President.  What I hear from the Hon. Minister is that there were some people who went through the tender process and they won and if I heard well, those people were paid the money.  If they were paid the money…

          THE ACTING PRESIDENT OF SENATE (HON. TAWENGWA): I did not hear her say they were paid the money.  If it is a new question, it is supposed to be so and it is not a supplementary.

          HON.  SEN. B. SIBANDA: Mr. President, I am picking up that the Deputy Minister is saying, these people who won the tender  - there were tenders that were won by particular people and those people according to what she has just reported, did not fulfill what they had promised to do.  Does it therefore mean that there are new tenders that are being floated in order to get rid of those people who won the tender in the first place?  Thank you Mr. President.

          HON. SEN. T. MUZENDA: Thank you Mr. President Sir.  Bids have a time line Hon. Senator.  So, once somebody has failed to meet that timeline, yes, there might be need to retender and start the whole process again.

          HON. SEN. SHOKO: Could the Hon. Minister confirm, do you do due diligence before you award tenders as a matter of principle and practice?

          HON. SEN. T.  MUZENDA: Thank you President Sir.   Yes, due diligence is done 100%.  However, with due respect Hon. Senator, there are some people who always – much as you might want to be thorough, some people may do something unpredictable, but yes due diligence is done and it is most unfortunate because it really should not be like that.  Thank you.

*HON. SEN. MAVHUNGA:  Thank you Mr. President.  I am directing my question to the Minister of Primary and Secondary Education, Hon. Dr. Lazarus Dokora.  May you please inform the august Senate on Government policy regarding teaching of sign languages in all our schools so that learners and students may be taught sign language.  We have noticed that people who have hearing or speech impairment problems face difficulties when they want to get some services from hospitals or other offices.  What is the Government policy on that?

*THE MINISTER OF PRIMARY AND SECONDARY EDUCATION (HON. DR. DOKORA):  Thank you very much Mr. President of the Senate for giving me the opportunity to respond on the sign language lessons.  The response to the question is, as far as the Ministry of Primary and Secondary Education is concerned, they say we use teachers who get their education certificates from other ministries or colleges.  Therefore, if I want to have teachers who will teach sign language to the learners and students who are equal to the number of schools we have, it is quite a mammoth task.  We are talking of nine thousand schools and it means the teacher training colleges should be churning out a high number of these teachers who are experts in sign language.  At the moment, we are recruiting the available teachers on sign language.  Some of them get their training from other independent organisations.  They get the lessons through workshops so that some of our teachers can get some rudimentary lessons on the use of sign language.  What we are doing at the moment is that, these teachers who have some knowledge on sign language work in cluster groups whereby a number of schools in a certain area have one teacher who goes right around teaching sign language.  As a Ministry, we are saying, we wish to have enough number of teachers who are going to teach sign language to the pupils and learners in our schools. 

The second aspect of the question is that, these learners who have impairment challenges either in hearing or speaking, are usually sent to institutions that have experts in sign language so that they will not have problems in being enrolled in other schools.  They go to special schools like the Emerald Hill.  We have realised that these schools are very expensive but because of the shortages we have, they cannot all go there.  Throughout the country, we have about 32 schools that carter for the learners with disabilities in sign language.  As a result, we are hoping that in future we may have enough teachers trained in sign language.

*HON. SEN. MAVHUNGA: My supplementary question Mr. President.  May be I did not express myself properly – my question is, is there a chance that one of these days we are going to declare sign language compulsory to be done to all levels?

*HON. DR. DOKORA:  Thank you Hon. Senator for the supplementary question which is a different question and you have come with a new angle.  In response to the question I am saying, as a Ministry, we would like to have more teachers trained in teachers’ colleges in sign language.  We would like to recruit these teachers to come into our schools and impart their knowledge to the learners so that they are well vested in sign language.  Our wish is that all the 16 languages mentioned in the Constitution, including the sign language, we would like to have them taken up as lessons so that the learners can learn the languages in our areas.  At the moment, we are saying, these teachers, in areas where that particular language is spoken, it should be taken as a lesson so that the teachers in that area are well vested in that language, not to bring a foreigner to come and teach in a place where there will not be any communication.  When we are talking about communication, especially in the lingua franca like the sign language, we are saying it is a language that is found in any of our areas.  Unlike any other languages, it is a language which is found in any of our areas.  Therefore, our wish is to have enough teachers.  I thank you.

+HON. SEN. A. SIBANDA:  Thank you Mr. President.  My question is directed to the Hon. Minister of Education, Hon. Dr. Dokora.  There is a new book that was released for Grade 1 with wrongly spelt Ndebele words.  I would like to know whether you have withdrawn the book from the syllabus or it is still there?  Most of the things that are written in that book, the words are not correctly spelt.  Why should you take a Shona speaking person to come and write a Ndebele book?  Is it that there are no Ndebele speaking people who can write the book that you want as a Ministry?  It was written by someone who is not an native Ndebele speaker, hence they used wrong spellings.

We have once requested that for Grade One pupils, we get the teachers who are native speakers of the local language but we are realising that the same teachers are still coming to teach the Grade ones. Today we have experienced a book belonging to Grade One written with wrong Ndebele spellings.  Are you going to let them continue using this book or you are going to withdraw it from the syllabus?  I thank you.

 +THE MINISTER OF PRIMARY AND SECONDARY EDUCATION (HON. DR. DOKORA):  Thank you Mr. President Sir.  I will start by thanking the Hon. Senator who asked such an important question and it is something that will also assist us as a Ministry.  I will also try to clarify some of the things.  I came into this House...

+HON. SEN. A. SIBANDA:  Mr. President, for him to answer properly, I will allow him to speak in English.

HON. DR. DOKORA:  I thought there is freedom to use whichever language one is comfortable with.  As long as I can speak one of the languages among the 15 languages recommended, I can use it.  Should I use the language that I am comfortable with since you seem not to be comfortable with the language that I was using?   When she was asking her question, I was listening seated here and nobody interpreted for me and therefore, it is my wish that she is going to appreciate my answer.  

          The Hon. Member said there are text books written by Shonas and yet there are Ndebele books. So why should these books be written by Shonas when Ndebeles are there?  I can say this is a rumour being spread by the social media and we made investigations to know the truth.  These books belong to a certain organisation and it was responsible for the writing up of those books.  We have organisations which write these books and after they are taken to our ministries.  We have experts in our ministry who will inspect these books to assess if they can be used or not.  When schools buy text books, they buy only those which are certified by this certifying department to be useable.  This book is written SEKUTHE the first spelling and the second spelling is DLWE on the cover; our experts informed us that there is nothing wrong with this.  If you go to the social media, where this originated and is circulating, you will find that this word DLWE, they have added an H.  The authors of these books – you can see the misconception that media has; the authors are Maphosa, Ndudzo, Sebata Tumisani and Sigogo Nomalanga.  You do not get these names being mentioned in the social media but the names which are being mentioned are those of Shona origin.  Social media is distorting information, promoting tribalism and creating animosity among the people of Zimbabwe and the information they are giving is quite different from the book I am holding here. That is the truth of the matter.

          *HON. SEN. TIMVEOS: Thank you Hon. President for giving me this opportunity to ask my question.  My question is directed to the Deputy Minister of Lands and Rural Resettlement.  Minister, can you please explain to this august Senate on issues of resettlement, there are no traditional leaders such as village heads and chiefs.  Land distribution is done by lands officers.  Let me give you a good example of an area in Zvishavane.  The lands officer in Zvishavane distributed land; 200 stands, when he completed, he went further to distribute another 300 stands and he pocketed the proceeds from the sales of that land and this man later died.  We now have a new lands officer and he is now saying the people who bought land are illegal settlers and have to be moved out of the area.  We have 200 people that are paying US$15, a figure which is supposed to make them legal, as I heard.  So, the remaining 200 are asking if those that are not paying are illegal, how can we be legal? So, right now there is chaos and confusion in Zvishavane.  As a Ministry what is Government policy regarding this misunderstanding?

          *THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF LANDS AND RURAL RESETTLEMENT (HON. CHIKWAMA): Thank you Mr. President and Hon. Sen. Timveos for bringing to light such a question and it is a good question. In order for us to quickly respond to what you are saying and you are talking of a specific place; may you please put your question down in writing so that we do through investigations and we will then assess and certify who is illegal and who is legal?

          HON. SEN. B. SIBANDA: Supplementary Hon. President.    

          THE ACTING PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE:  She has requested for a written question so there is no supplementary there.

          *HON. SEN. CHIEF CHISUNGA: Thank you Mr. President.  May I please congratulate Hon. Dr. Dokora and Hon. Dr. Sekeramayi because they are consistent in their support of the Senate and we congratulate them on that note – [HON. SENATORS: Inaudible interjections.]

          THE ACTING PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE: Mazokanganwa Hon. Sen. Muzenda chete.

          *HON. SEN. CHIEF CHISUNGA: The floor is reminding me that I have forgotten Hon. Sen. T. Muzenda – [HON. SENATORS: Hear, hear.] – My question is directed to the Minister of Tourism and Hospitality Industry.  What is Government policy regarding the national budget?  What steps are you making to make affordable hotel fees because our tourists prefer to go and live in Zambia and yet when they come to view the Falls, they come to the Zimbabwean side because our prices are too high for tourists.

          THE MINISTER OF TOURISM AND HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY (HON. MBWEMBWE):   I thank the Hon. Senator for the question.  Whilst I am still trying to find my feet, can I ask my Deputy Minister to respond to that question and I also want to assure the Senate that my Ministry will be coming to respond to questions in this House for as long as we are around.  I thank you – [HON. SENATORS: Hear, hear.] –

          THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF TOURISM AND HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY (HON. NDHLOVU):  Thank you Mr. President Sir, I would like to thank Hon. Sen. Chief Chisunga.  It is a very important question and I would like to say it is Government policy that the tourism sector also plays a part in the economic revival agenda of our country in a sustainable manner.  I am humbled Mr. President to share with this august Senate that Government has a Tourism policy which was reviewed in 2014 and we have finalised crafting the National Tourism Master Plan which will be the nucleus around which our National Tourism policy will be implemented.  Part of the work that we seek to achieve through the Tourism Master Plan is to ensure that there is ease of doing business in the Tourism sector.  I am humbled to share with this Senate that we started working with OPC to come up with an easy of doing business programme for tourism which also seeks to deal with issues of a favourable pricing strategy.  I will say that Hon. Sen. Chief Chisunga is correct to say we are a relatively expense destination because of the fact that we use multi-currencies.  As the smaller currencies in the region weaken against the dollar, we seem to be more and more expensive than the other players in the region.

          However, we work very closely Mr. President Sir, with the private sector. You will be aware that tourism is Government led but private sector driven.  Our Ministry works very closely with the ZCT which is the national association of all players of tourism together with our parastatal, the ZTA.  We have a number of programmes on the ground which seek to further market and develop brand Zimbabwe. 

This august House, Mr. President Sir, will agree with me that we just had a very successful Carnival last month and also in Bulawayo, we hosted the 10th edition of Sanganai-Hlanganani which has been the biggest since independence.  So, I will share with Hon. Senator and the whole nation, through you Mr. President Sir, that we are also working on what are known as Committee based tourism enterprises.  What they seek to do over and above ensuring that people living in and around tourism resource rich areas also benefit, is also to promote domestic tourism.  So, we urge all Hon. Members to be in touch with our Ministry so that they also see and exploit the opportunities that are there for the members in their constituencies.  All that, coupled with what I have shared, will ensure we become a more favourable destination in terms of pricing.  I thank you.

HON. SEN. MARAVA: Mr. President, we have got very important ministries represented here and may I ask that time for Questions Without Notice be extended for at least ten minutes.

HON. SEN. MAKONE: I second.

HON. SEN. MUMVURI: Thank you Mr. President. My question is directed to the Minister of Primary and Secondary Education.  I want to congratulate him for convincing the Cabinet to come up with the Teaching Professions Bill.  However, when is he going to come to this august House so that we dispose it off as quickly as possible?

THE MINISTER OF PRIMARY AND SECONDARY EDUCATION (HON. DR. DOKORA):   Thank you President of Senate and I would also like to thank the Hon. Senator.  This just provides me the platform to correctly state the position which is current.  You will recall that the President in his opening of Parliament Speech recently, mentioned the preparations for that Bill on the Teaching Professions Council that it will come to Parliament.  This is work which is still underway, developing the principles to take them to Cabinet and from there to develop the actual Bill itself and then bring it to Parliament to enable you as Hon. Senators and Members of Parliament to discuss.  This weekend we are actually going away to a retreat with the Portfolio Committee to look at the Bill, the principles of the Teaching Professions Council.  So, next week it should now then go to the Cabinet system and await discussion in that forum.  Thank you.

HON. SEN. MASUKU: Thank you Mr. President for giving me this opportunity.  My question is directed to the Minister of Tourism and Environment.  I am happy that the Minister has already elaborated the Government policy on tourism but the second part of my question is how effective is domestic or eco-tourism?   The Minister said it is getting enough publicity or coverage so that people in the rural areas also benefit to get the little foreign currency that they can from this domestic tourism.

THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF TOURISM, ENVIRONMENT AND HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY (HON. A. NDHLOVU): Thank you very much Mr. President Sir.  I would like to thank the Hon. Senator whom I am aware has a great passion and zeal for tourism through the work that she already does in her own constituency.  I am glad to share with you that I mentioned community based tourism enterprises.  You will be aware Hon. President Sir and Hon. Senators, that we used to have what is known as the Campfire Project from way back and after the year 2000, because of the challenges that we were facing as an economy mainly due to the economic sanctions, the funding and support that was coming to campfire to boost it stopped and campfire then started to suffer.

 The purposes for which campfire projects were introduced, it no longer was able to serve.  In Hwange for example, they get about $2000 in the RDC from campfire which should be shared among many wards and that does not make much sense.  So, the process that Government is undertaking now is to review and revamp the Campfire project and I thank President Mugabe for his wisdom.  He has put together tourism and environment.   So, issues that you raised to do with eco-tourism; we are now going to be able to coordinate them more smoothly. So, we should be able to see more progress because it will be done from one Ministry.

I will also share with this House Mr. President, that our country through Japan International Corporation Agency, have been given assistance to spearhead the development of community based tourism enterprises manual in the SADC region through RETOSA and we have already identified in excess of 80 community based tourism enterprises and most of those are in our rural areas and townships.  Township tourism is also important; it can help our young people and women to get the small dollars that you were talking about but they will not get small dollars, instead they are going to make real money. 

I want to encourage Hon. Members and the whole nation to take tourism seriously.  It is not just about the Carnival or the beauty pageants but this is real business.  It is able to sustain our economy when other sectors are not doing well.  It has done so for the past number of years contributing more than 10% to GDP and our hope is that we will be able in the next three to five years, to have a five billion dollar tourism economy.  I thank you.

*HON. SEN. TIMVEOS: Thank you so much Mr. President.  Hon. Minister for Tourism, may you please explain further on the Carnival.  When we look at our customs and traditions, we had Brazilians who came then we had a lady from South Africa, Zodwa Wabantu who wanted to come to Zimbabwe.  What is Government policy regarding such people who are semi-naked which we regard as taboo?

          *THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF TOURISM, ENVIRONMENT AND HOSPITALITY INDUSTRY (HON. A. NDHLOVU):  Thank you Mr. President. May the Hon. Senator please guide me as to which language she wants me to respond to her question? – [HON. SENATORS: Iwoyo, iwoyo!] –

          Thank you Mr. President, for allowing me to respond to this pertinent question and also to inform the august House that the Government of Zimbabwe, under the leadership of His Excellency Cde. Robert Mugabe respects and upholds the sanctity of our culture.  When we talk of the carnival, it is just one of the small components of our Ministry’s duties where we will be trying to market the country and allow Zimbabweans the chance to converge and celebrate our cultural diversity.

          We all agree that each province in our country has a unique tradition especially in the Midlands, we have places like Zvishavane in Mberengwa where there are varemba. The same area also has Ndebeles and Shona speaking inhabitants. As Zimbabweans we need to come together and share our rich cultural diversity. 

When we talk of the carnival, it is an international festival whereby we invite our friends from different countries to our country during these festivals to come and display their cultures.  Let me hasten to say that Zodwa WaBantu  was not coming for the national carnival that was organised by the Government but was coming for a privately organised function by Private Lounge. That had nothing to do with Government.  It was only by coincidence that the nation was holding its carnival during the same time but the events were very different.

          Let me also categorically state that the Government of Zimbabwe is very strict in upholding its culture and abhors public nudity.  The then Acting Minister of Tourism and Hospitality Industry, Hon. Zhuwao wrote a letter to a Zimbabwean called Anne Nhira who complained about Zodwa WaBantu’s visit and relayed Government’s position that Zodwa Wabantu could not attend the national carnival except for private functions.   You will be aware that these private functions will be strictly for adults only and specially invited guests.  During national carnivals, people of all ages are allowed to attend including children and people of such calibre do not attend.    

Let me also clarify that when we talk of the Brazilian cultures – no, no, they will not be naked.  They will be putting on something that covers their sking and it is also part of their culture. This is where we learnt of carnivals.   Let me also hasten to say the African carnivals were vetted by an overseas institution and our carnival was highly rated the best and biggest because it was well organised.  Again, when we look at the carnivals, they are not all about dances but there is promotion of economic activity. Most hotels in Harare were fully booked during the carnival. Food World Supermarket along Jason Moyo had most of the food sold out not through theft. Taxi drivers, women and youths in SMEs sold their products and hotels were accommodating guests who brought in the much needed foreign currency to Zimbabwe. 

Honestly speaking, people are not ferried to carnivals but attend on their free will eager to attend functions as opposed to attending carnivals.  The carnival will be well attended, kombis make business and the food that is eaten also promote economic activity. 

As Government of Zimbabwe, our endevour is to protect and promote our culture and shun public  nudity.  We do not allow people to come and display their nudity, that is why we have the Censorship Board under the Ministry of Home Affairs in Zimbabwe to vet all these things so that we celebrate our cultural diversity in peace.  I thank you.

THE ACTING PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE: Thank you Hon. Minister and thank you to all Hon. Ministers who attended this session.

Questions Without Notice were interrupted by THE ACTING PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE, in terms of Standing Order No. 62.

ORAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS WITH NOTICE

1.     HON. TIMVEOS asked the Minister of Lands and Rural

Resettlement to inform the House what policy is used by land officers to allocate land in view of the fact that they do so without the knowledge of the traditional leadership who are fully conversant with their environment in terms of sacred areas and pastoral land for their livestock.

          THE DEPUTY MINISTER OF LANDS AND RURAL RESETTLEMENT (HON. CHIKWAMA): Thank you Mr. President. May I start by thanking Hon. Sen. Timveos for asking the question.

          Allocation of land under the Land Reform Programme is done by the Minister of Lands and Rural Resettlement through various administrative procedures which include the District and Provincial Lands Committees.  The above Committees are represented in every district and province.  At the district level, the Committee also includes all the chiefs in that district among other members.  At provincial level, the chairperson of the Provincial Council of Chiefs is also a member of the Provincial Lands Committee.

          In general, all land allocations are done after consideration of recommendations from the District and Provincial Lands Committees but the discretion to approve or not to approve those recommendations rests with the Minster of Lands and Rural Resettlement in terms of the power delegated to him by the President of the Republic of Zimbabwe to administer agricultural land.

          In the exercise of the above delegated authority, the Minister’s Office may from time to time allocate land without following the above administrative structures depending on the circumstances surrounding the land allocation.  I must hasten to state that even through this administrative process, due diligence is exercised through the Ministry’s district and provincial structures to check for any factors which may be affected by the said allocation.  This process also involves consultations with the District and Provincial Lands Committees in most cases.

          I also wish to state that the traditional leadership in the District and Provincial Lands Committees has a role in advising the Minister of Lands and Rural Resettlement on the cultural and environmental concerns in terms of sacred areas and pastoral land for livestock when they are considering applications for land.  I thank you.

          THE ACTING PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE:  Thank you Hon. Minister. That is the only Minister present to respond to the questions on today’s Order Paper.

          Questions with Notice were interrupted by THE ACTING PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE in terms of Standing Order No.62.

MOTION

RESTORATION OF THE MOTION ON THE FIRST REPORT OF THE THEMATIC COMMITTEE ON SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT GOALS ON SDG NO. 3 ON THE ORDER PAPER

          HON. SEN. CHIEF MTSHANE: I move the motion standing in my name that the motion on the First Report of the Thematic Committee on Sustainable Development Goals on SDG No. 3: “Ensure Healthy Lives and Promote Well-being for all at all ages”, [S. C. 8, 2017], which was superseded by the end of the Fourth Session of the Eighth Parliament be restored on the Order Paper in terms of Standing Order No. 71.

          HON. SEN. CHIEF SIANSALI: I second.

          Motion put and agreed to.

MOTION

PRESIDENTIAL SPEECH: DEBATE ON ADDRESS

    Second Order read: Adjourned debate on motion in reply to the Presidential Speech.

    Question again proposed.

    *HON. SEN. CHIFAMBA: I would like to thank Hon. Sen. Chief Charumbira for raising this motion on the President’s Speech and this was seconded by Hon. Sen. Chief Mtshane. When the President was making his speech, I did feel touched on the subject of sexual harassment in marriages because we have noticed that married women are being forced to do what they do not like because they are said to be married. I have heard some cases in the Rotten Row Magistrates Courts and some of these women are saying the men today are not able to tell the parts which they are supposed to use especially when they indulge in sexual intercourse. Instead of using the normal access such as the vagina where the penis has to go through – [Laughter.] -  nowadays men are using some other areas which are not supposed to be used for sexual intercourse. There is no sane woman who can report her husband to the courts when there is nothing bad happening between the two. These cases are real.

    I used to suffer from constipation and I was taken to hospital on numerous occasions in order to treat the problem. What is happening is that men these days are indulging in sexual activities through the anus which is not meant for that. It is painful for the woman. Sex is supposed to be enjoyed. Sex is pleasurable. God created Adam and Eve and said to the woman you are going to have pain during giving birth and now instead of having sexual intercourse through the vagina, men are now indulging in anal intercourse which is very painful. How are we going to bear children if we indulge in such a way?

    There was a man in Chitungwiza who raped a four year old girl at a birthday party. The child could not walk properly and people realised that this person had raped the child. This person was taken to prison and whilst in prison he went on to commit sodomy on other men. It is a fact when you are new in prison; you are subjected to all kinds of abuse, including sodomy. My question is, if we are abused in such a way that we have intercourse through the anus how are we going to bear children?  This is sexual harassment in marriage.

          When the President talked about this, he had seen that these things are happening. To tell you the truth, women are very secretive. They do not have to bring out what is happening in their homes. If you see a woman taking out what is happening in her house to the courts, it means that she has gone beyond the threshold of withstanding the pain. This is very bad. These men should be convicted and taken for 14 years.

    My suggestion is that let these offenders be castrated because if you let them loose and take them to prison, they will sodomise other men there.  As a woman you cannot run away from home because of your children and members of your family who will constantly ask you why you left the matrimonial home. It is difficult for you to tell the people the truth that I am being sexually abused. I am encouraging that these people should have their organs cut off.

    There are many sex workers in the streets and if you feel you want to have an unusual sex, please go to commercial sex workers because they do not care which way you indulge.  All they want is the cash you offer and you buy whatever it is they want. I plead with men to stop tormenting your wives, friends and families. I am pleading with men that God created sex so that it is enjoyed through the vagina and not through the anus. I thank you.

          +HON. SEN. NYATHI: I want to thank you Mr. President for giving me this opportunity for me to add my voice on the Presidential Speech, when he was talking about the harassment that is perpetrated on women. I want to dwell much on the sexual harassment that is being perpetrated against women especially in their homes. As I speak, I know it is very difficult, especially for ladies to mention that they are facing hardships in their homes. I want to talk about something that happened two days ago. What I want to know is that, why is it that men do not respect us whilst as women we respect them?  As a woman you realise that a mother is a mother to everyone.  Even if you are a husband, your wife is your mother for you were slept in the womb of a mother.  As a husband, your mother is the same as your wife. 

          Mr. President Sir, I want to give an example of a place in Hwange, there is a child who stays in the same street with me.  This girl had a misunderstanding with her husband which ended up in separation.  The wife had to stay along for sometime but she later met someone and they fell in love.  Inasmuch as they were in separation, she spoke to the former husband and they managed to iron their differences out and they agreed to be together again. 

          The man with whom the woman had fallen in love with whilst on separation felt jealous.  The woman had gone to resettle in Nkayi and the man with whom she had fallen in love with followed her and killed her.  He then tried to run away but was caught by police officers.  Yes, that person was arrested but what I know is that in a few months’ time, we will see that person out of jail.  The woman who was killed was the breadwinner and was taking care of her mother who is visually impaired.  My question that I pose to this House is; why do such things happen?  For example, someone uses a weapon such as a hoe or a brick to kill someone, why do we take that person to the court? What exactly will we be doing, why should we ask questions when we know that the main agenda of that person was to kill the victim.  We should not ask why the person did that, we should simply do to the person what they did to the other person, which is killing them.  The intention will be very clear.  The victim would have died and may even leave children behind, sometimes even children at a tender age.

          Yes, we have said so many things in this House and we realise that most of the time it is men who say it whilst they are the same people who do not respect us.  I agree that there are times when women also do it, but it is commonly so with men.  When they go to court, they are slapped with only two years imprisonment or just serve in the community.  What are we saying to the family members of the deceased when the person just goes to jail for two years?  This is one thing that we should really have a look at in our laws.  What is it that we are supposed to do as Members of the Senate?  How many years should the person who would have committed such a crime serve in jail?  Why is it that our counterparts, the men do not respect us as women? 

When we are coming up with laws, we need to add the number of years or punishment for the people who commit such a crime.  For example, when someone is fighting and picks a spear or a brick, the main intention will be to kill the other person.  So, this is one thing that we should relook.  Most of the times after someone would have committed such a crime, the family members of that perpetrator will look for lawyers to defend him.  It is not that the person would have done something proper.  The best way of solving such an issue is to sit down with the two people who would be in conflict so that they do not end up killing each other.

Mr. President Sir, I am so disheartened by the way women are being killed, especially in their homes.  We see it on television and in newspapers and realise that mostly women and girls are being abused.  With those few words, I would like to thank you Hon. President Sir.

+HON. SEN. CHIEF NTABENI: Thank you Mr. President.  I want to add on my views on the motion that was brought in by Hon. Sen. Chief Charumbira and seconded by Hon. Sen. Chief Mtshane.  From the presentation that the President made, there are two or three things that I want to highlight.  The President emphasised on our culture and us as chiefs, this is one thing that we really support. 

He spoke about the Command Agriculture which was done and we realise that even our God assisted us by giving us so much rain.  He dwelt so much on our culture as Zimbabweans.  Yes, we can say that men do A, B, C, D and E but this is not within our culture.  In our culture we are supposed to respect all women.  We also emphasise that these are the people who bear us and take care of us.  We love our President for he is one person who honours our culture.  We realise that when we visit urban areas, people no longer honour their cultures, especially when greeting each other.  Way back, we used to greet each other using our surnames, but now, someone would just say, ‘thank you Sir’, or ‘Good morning Sir.’

HON. SEN. MASUKU: Mr. President, I move that the debate do now adjourn.

HON. SEN. MUMVURI: I second.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Tuesday, 17th October, 2017.

MOTION

FIRST REPORT OF THE THEMATIC COMMITTEE ON PEACE AND SECURITY ON THE PREPAREDNESS OF THE GRAIN MARKETING BOARD TO HANDLE THE 2016/2017    

Third Order read: Adjourned debate on motion on the First Report of the Thematic Committee on Peace and Security on the Preparedness of the Grain Marketing Board to handle the 2016/2017 Crop Deliveries and the Success of the Command Agriculture Programme.

Question again proposed.

HON. SEN. MASUKU: Mr. President, I move that the debate do now adjourn.

HON. SEN. B. SIBANDA: I second.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume: Tuesday, 17th October, 2017.

MOTION

REPORT OF THE ZIMBABWE DELEGATION TO THE INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON PROMOTING STAKEHOLDER AND PARLIAMENTARY DIALOGUE ON THE ARMS TRADE TREATY (ATT)

Fourth Order read: Adjourned debate on the motion on the Report of the Zimbabwe delegation to the International Conference on Promoting Stakeholder and Parliamentary Dialogue on Arms Trade Treaty.

Question again proposed.

HON. SEN. MASUKU:  I move that the debate do now adjourn.

HON. SEN. MUMVURI:  I second.

Motion put and agreed to.

Debate to resume:  Tuesday, 31st October, 2017.

On the motion of HON. SEN. MASUKU, seconded by HON. SEN. MUMVURI, the Senate adjourned at Ten Minutes past Four o’clock p.m. until Tuesday, 31st October, 2017.

 

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